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While top representatives from each country...
were convening at the UN to discuss global peace-keeping and security,
despite the lack of any official recognition,
the self-appointed G's from around the world...
are convening for the peace-keeping and security of global youths,
hence the Non Summit Meeting.
(Episode 139)
We shall begin the session.
I'm the Chairman of Non Summit Meeting, Jun Hyun-moo.
I'm Secretary General Yoo Se-yoon.
- I'm Chairman Sung Si-kyung. - We are Junyoosung!
- Today, we're thinking of starting with an on the spot vote. - Right.
- Yes. - Do you think...
the new hairstyle that Hyun-moo has installed himself with is normal or abnormal?
(He's lowered the fringe.)
If you believe it is abnormal, please press the button.
If you believe it is abnormal, please press the button. On 3, 2 and 1.
(Everyone presses the button.)
- What is this? - Even Mark thinks that your hairstyle is abnormal.
- Everyone pressed the button. - It is abnormal.
My hairstyle reminds me of the hairstyle that you had when you met Lee Byung-Hun.
Your hairstyle is similar to that one.
- I was really touched when I realized this. - Is that so?
Yes. Shall we begin now?
We're in March, the month when flowers bloom.
This month is also the start of the employment season.
The preferred job sector in Korea is the public sector. It has been for a long time.
They say the public institution and state-owned companies are popular.
- What job sector is popular in your countries? - In China...
In China, the civil service sector is popular.
However, the company that is on the rise is Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd.
Yes. They pay you a high salary and their employee welfare system is quite good.
Especially, the cafeteria.
They serve Peking duck, samgyeopsal and...
- even sashimi. They serve food from all over the world. - Did you say Peking duck?
- It's not... - It is a popular company.
like the duck they serve in the restaurant, right?
- Does the chef come out... - The chef does come out...
- and cuts it for the employee. - Really?
- Yes. - That's a great company.
- That is an expensive dish in China as well, right? - Yes it is.
That's why it is very popular.
It takes a long time to make.
In Italy, the sector that people want to work in the most is...
fashion. As you'd expect.
Fashion is the most popular sector for job seekers.
But the most popular company for job seekers is a chocolate confectionery company.
- Chocolate. - I see.
The company that makes Ferrero Rocher.
- I see. - That's the company that job seekers want to work in the most.
- It's probably... - As a taster?
- Since it is a big company, the employee welfare system is good. - Right.
It is a very stable company and they also offer a lot of benefits for the employees.
In Japan, job seekers prefer jobs that are stable.
That's why the popular sector for job seekers today is the finance sector,
like banks and insurance companies.
So, there was a survey that ranked the preferred job sectors foe graduates of 2017.
The top five companies were all related to the finance sector.
They were shocked when they tried to find the reason for this.
They said their parents wouldn't worry if they worked in this sector.
That's why it was popular.
All the companies had name recognition.
If you tell someone you work there, they will say, "It's a good company."
- "Oogi, you've become a success." - Right. That's how they feel.
- That's similar to Koreans. - Right.
- It is very similar. - In the US, the company that job seekers want to work for...
the most is Google. They've been number 1 for the last 5 years.
This company is not only attractive to employees,
it is also the company that university students voted as their first choice.
They voted Google as their preferred company. They keep coming in first.
That's the number one international company for...
- Korean job seekers, too. - We're talking about Google.
We heard that the CEO caused a controversy because of a job interview.
Google is very famous for this aspect.
- During the interview, they'll ask the job interviewees riddles.
The previous CEO of Google, Eric Schmidt...
was giving a speech when it happened.
A person who had applied for a job at Google asked him this.
He asked Eric Schmidt a riddle that he was asked during his interview.
Eric Schmidt was asked to answer, but he struggled to answer it.
Eric Schmidt became very flustered by the question.
That video went viral.
(“You’re the captain of a pirate ship and you find a chest of gold. Your crew...")
("gets to vote on how the gold is divided up. If fewer than half of the pirates...")
("agree with you, you die. How do you divide the gold so that everyone survives?")
(That's a very poor question.)
It's common for job interviewers to ask frustrating questions to job interviewees.
Was there a interview that caused a stir?
Right. This sounds like a good question. The company is a US company,
Apple, they're famous for asking difficult questions.
One of the questions that they asked was,
"Imagine a penguin wearing a hat came into a room."
- "Try to imagine this scene." - Okay.
"For what purpose do you think the penguin went into the room?"
- "Also," - Xinlin,
"what do you think he would say?"
Why do you think the penguin came into the room?
He came to see me.
- What? - He came to see me.
- Did he come to see you? - "Try applying next year."
Don't you think Se-yoon would answer questions like that well?
- "Next, interviewee number two, Se-yoon." - I'm in trouble.
- "I'm in trouble." - "Imagine..."
"a penguin opened the door and came in wearing a hat."
- "Why did the penguin come into the room? - "What will it say?"
"Try applying next year."
(Eliminated)
"Give me an hour to think about it."
- "Sir, give me an hour." - "A comedian should be able to think on the spot."
- It is a difficult question. - It really is.
A lot of Swiss companies ask this question to test how quickly you adapt and...
measure your personality.
- "If you could become any animal, what animal would you like to be?" - Okay.
Lucky, what animal would you like to be?
(Thinking)
Please give me one hour.
- This is really. - It really is.
It's not an easy question.
Our interviewers ask a similar question.
"Describe yourself as a vegetable."
- Did you say describe yourself as a vegetable? - In words?
- Yes, in words? - They question is about vegetables this time?
- Yes, a vegetable. - All right, Guillaume.
I am...
a person who always tries to avoid the sun.
So, I would describe myself as a carrot.
- Yes. - That's a good answer.
I feel it most comfortable to live in the ground.
It's because I'm always someone who likes to stay in his room.
When it gets darker outside,
- What are you trying to say? - You should go back to your room, then.
- Is that why you're a carrot? - It has to be creative, but it's a lot of pressure.
- That's right. - In Japan, it's the other way round,
the current trend is for the interviewee to ask the interviewer...
- questions. That's the new trend. - That sounds fun.
- That does sound fun. - "How will you utilize my skills?"
Yes. You can see the candidate's personality by the questions he asks.
Rather than asking questions, the current trend is to make them ask you.
- This sounds like a hit. - It could be a great scene.
The candidate looks scared and they tell him to ask a question,
at which point, his whole attitude changes.
"Imagine a penguin came in wearing a hat..."
- "What would you do?" - Ask the interviewer.
- "Why do you think the penguin came in?" - The department head starts to sweat.
"Sir, what kind of animal would you want to be?"
"I'd want to be a dog."
"Sir, are you the CEO? What is your position?"
Not only do they have to ask questions, they have to do a mahjong test.
- Mahjong? - A company employee...
and the job interviewee has to play mahjong together.
- Do you have to win or lose on purpose? - If you come in first,
- you'll make it to the final interview round. - Really?
That can't be true.
- No way. - The reason they make you play mahjong...
- is because you have to calculate a lot. - And you see there personality.
- Yes, you can see what kind of person they are. - Also, you can talk as you play.
- I see. - That's true.
- You can talk a lot. - To all the job seekers right now, we wish you good luck.
- We're cheering for all of you. - Right.
- This was a borderless Non Summit meeting. - We'll start the debate now.
It's now time to hear discuss the various issues that you'd like to talk about.
It's the Global Side Dishes Time.
What Is So Important?
This is the issue brought forth by our US representative, Mark.
In 2010, Chelsea Manning, a former US Army soldier was...
court-martialed for violating the Espionage Act and sentenced to 35 years in prison.
However, President Obama, before his term ended,
he commuted 30 years of the prison sentence.
I brought forth this issue because I would like to hear your opinions on the matter.
- Okay. - Chelsea Manning was an Army intelligence analyst.
She leaked over 700,000 classified military,
state and diplomatic documents.
She leaked them to the website that publishes secret information, WikiLeaks.
- Yes. - She was supposed to be released in the year, 2045.
But 30 years of her sentence was commuted.
She is set to be released this coming May.
(The sentence she received was disproportionate, relative to what...)
(other leakers had received.)
(And she has served a significant amount of time.)
(It made sense to commute, not pardon her sentence.)
(This was posted on Chelsea Manning's social media account.)
This is becoming a controversial issue, right?
Yes it is. The reason is because people in the US...
believe that what she did was a serious crime.
This person was a soldier during the Iraq War.
And she had seen acts of war that were hard to believe with her own eyes.
After seeing this, she felt that these actions should be made public.
Not only that, she also released classified footage.
She released all the US diplomatic cables that were sent to the State department.
All the soldiers, and spies overseas...
were put in danger.
Many people feel that only a few years in jail is not punishment enough.
We heard that it was controversial on a personal level as well.
Her name was Bradley Manning,
and she was born a man.
But she said that she always believed that she was a girl.
I want to live as a woman and I will change my name to Chelsea Manning.
That's what she said. After she went to prison,
she really did change to a woman.
She is possibly the first person to have a sex change in prison.
(First person to have the operation in a prison)
In our country right now, we have the controversial issue...
of Choi Soon-sil and the people who were connected with the state of affairs.
The conspiracy is growing and it played a big role.
A lot of people are watching closely to see what kind of sentence they'll get.
I'd like to ask your opinions on this matter.
They did commit a crime,
but they did reveal the truth, so should they be pardoned or punished?
All right. If you think the should be pardoned,
press the button. In 3, 2 and 1.
Do we have to pardon them?
Three are for pardoning.
- Oogi, why do you think they should be pardoned? - Because whistle blowing...
is a very important role.
Without the whistle blower, the extent of the corruption,
or there might be information...
that we'd never find out.
To come out and reveal the truth requires an enormous amount of courage.
They have also helped us and society.
So, for the reason, I believe we can pardon them.
Do you do think whistleblowers are heroes?
He could be a hero. But people who are bad, are just terrible people.
But in most cases,
- wouldn't there be more heroes? - No, that's not the case.
- Then, Oogi, bad people could be pardoned as well?
They committed a crime.
- That could be the case. - What will you do about that?
You don't need courage to be a whistleblower.
They are doing it to try and save themselves.
They do need to be punished. But you are right, it is an important role.
- Yes. - So, I can accept that.
However, that is, after they receive punishment.
They can have a commuted sentence.
If you punish whistleblowers,
there will be no whistleblowers in the future.
- That's true. - And these incidents will not see the light of day.
- But... - That's not it.
There will always be whistleblowers.
Let's say two men raped a woman.
- Right. - And one of the men,
came clean. Should we pardon him?
- No, that's turning yourself in. - No, you can't.
- That's different. - But,
I had committed a crime with someone and became a whistleblower.
- I told you the reasons and where it happened. - Right.
I publicly announced it.
- Isn't that a good thing? - That's turning yourself in.
- That's a good thing. - He committed a crime, too.
He committed the crime, too.
You're right. He did commit a crime.
But, if the person doesn't say anything, incidents like this could happen again.
Xinlin is saying if we pardon the person, his crime disappears.
- We can commute a sentence... - But we can't pardon a sentence.
That's what you're saying.
This incident is a little different to the incidence of a whistleblower.
- No, it's not. - It's not that easy...
- Whistleblowers... - We can't pardon them.
- Right. - As a group...
- They are like an organization. - Let's say,
all the representatives on those show commit crimes on Sundays.
- Commit crimes? - Really?
Why didn't I know about this?
I'm feeling left out.
Let's say, I went to the police and told them what we were doing.
- Then, the rest of you would go to jail, and I would be the only one free. - Right.
- Does that seem fair to you? - It doesn't.
But, this is how I think of this issue,
if we pardon one of the people,
couldn't we catch a bigger fish by doing so?
Even if you catch a bigger fish, the smaller fish still committed a crime.
Even if that is the case, I would pardon him for that.
Don't you think that is an unfair system?
I don't go to prison, but the rest of you do.
- A situation like this could really happen. - Let's say...
Let's say, I felt like this organization would get caught in the end.
- I'm preparing a way out. - That's right.
- Right. - I just prepared a way out.
We can try and think of this in a positive way.
If the person admits that he had committed a crime,
and he promises not to do commit crimes any more and is being informative,
- then, I believe we should pardon people like that. - But,
if they admit the crime, can we punish them?
I agree with what you're saying. It would be great if the world worked like that.
But, if we keep punishing whistleblowers, no one is going to step forward anymore.
The English term for what you described is, "Moral hazard".
- That's... - Moral hazard.
a situation where I commit a crime,
and afterward, I apologize sincerely for my actions.
And you promise not to do that again.
Since, this person will not be punished for his crimes,
he will feel more emboldened to commit more crimes.
I believe that the definition of moral hazard is when you do not reveal a crime.
I think it all depends on the seriousness of the crime and the situation.
It depends.
If the whistleblower had caused huge mental distress,
or he had committed a murder, than we can't forgive him.
Oogi, in the end, you're talking about commuting a sentence.
- Because commuting a sentence and pardoning a sentence is different. - Right.
- What about the crime? - He must not have committed any crime.
It has to always be case by case for whistleblowers.
- As you mentioned before... - Is that what you call it in France?
It means case by case.
- Case by case? - Do you think that is what we have to do?
- It depends on the situation. - We have to do it like that.
- We have to accept it. - One by one.
We have to consider pardons depending on how much help they were.
We can't discriminate. That is very important.
- There are various types of whistling, right? - Yes.
Depending on what information they give us,
- we have to judge each case individually. - Right.
Because they might tell us information about illegal actions or corruption.
- If they reveal it publicly, it's good for society, right? - Yes.
But some whistleblowers, might be releasing sensitive confidential state documents.
If they are making those public,
- then that would be a crime, right? They should be punished for that. - Yes.
Like what Aurélien and Mark both said,
we need to understand the situation.
In the case of Choi Soon-sil, her informants told us what she did.
But they had worked together.
In cases like this, they should also be punished for what they did.
In the US case that we discussed earlier, she had only leaked the documents.
She didn't do anything else.
In cases like that, it is very difficult to...
- punish her for that. - That's true.
So, it's very important to understand the situation.
Was there anyone in your country that acted as a key witness...
in an important case?
There was an incident with the nation's security.
I'm sure you've all heard of Edward Snowden.
He was a former employee of the CIA and NSA.
The NSA look at all the calls and internet searches made by people around the globe.
They look at how foreign nations gather intelligence about our country.
All the communication agencies around the globe give information to the NSA.
They give all the information to the NSA.
When Edward Snowden saw this,
he felt that this was breaching people's privacy rights.
He made up his mind to act as a whistleblower and leaked the information.
(I felt that this needed to be determined by the public.)
(Not by somebody who was hired by the government.)
He couldn't stay in the US after that, right?
So, he fled to Russia.
In the end, when this was leaked, the US public was shocked by this, too.
How did we allow the government to infringe on our privacy rights to this degree?
(This is not right.)
(It is not just. It is illegitimate...)
(and this is not being done to keep US citizens safe.)
After that, our government stopped doing this.
President Trump had said that Edward Snowden should be executed.
President Trump had said he was a traitor.
(Edward Snowden is a spy. We need to execute him.)
(I think he is a traitor.)
(And I would deal with him harshly.)
(If I was president, President Putin would hand him over.)
In truth, President Obama, and everyone in the government considers him a traitor.
The NSA is not allowed to listen to the phone calls made by US citizens,
but does that mean, they are allowed to hear phone calls made by Europeans?
- It's because they listened to the phone calls made by Angela Merkel. - Right.
(I made it clear to President Obama,)
(any actions to listen to the phone calls of friendly nation will not be forgiven.)
(This doesn't just concern me, it concerns all German citizens.)
(We don't have a domestic spying program.)
(What we do have is some mechanisms that can track...)
(a phone number or an email address...)
(that we know is connected to some sort of terrorist threat.)
In 1992, Italy went through the biggest corruption scandal in our history.
It was called Mani pulite. Translated it means clean hands.
(In 1992, a corruption investigation lead to a nationwide judicial investigation.)
This all started because of a whistleblower.
It all began when the CEO of a cleaning firm no longer wanted to give...
bribes to the socialist party.
So, he went to the police and made a confession.
That's how this incident started.
After 1 year of investigation, over 1,000 politicians...
and high-ranking government officials were arrested.
- That was serious. - It was a huge scandal.
We should've reformed the political system back then.
- But after that, the prime minister that was elected... - It was Silvio Berlusconi.
Power was held by the socialist party.
(I'll do a better job.)
Corruption didn't disappear.
Back in 2008, because of an employee who became whistleblower,
a Swiss bank called HSBC,
a list of tax dodgers were leaked.
In 1 disk, there were information about 30,000 bank accounts from 203 countries.
President Putin's aide and corrupt politicians were also on the documents.
There were a lot of famous celebrities on the list, too. It became controversial.
The whistleblower fled to France.
And the Swiss government requested an extradition for the whistleblower.
But the French government is refusing the request.
The whistleblower holds dual citizenship.
His French citizenship is protecting him from extradition.
thanks to him, we were able to find out who the tax dodgers in France were.
- I see. - He was a whistleblower.
I think they held a trial on this case in Switzerland last year.
He received a sentence of five years.
- Did he receive five years? - Yes.
An employee of one of the subcontracted companies of a big Korean conglomerate...
in Mexico has been acknowledged as whistleblower...
for making public the abuse that happened.
In Mexico, this administrator...
would hit employees on the head...
and he kicked an employee as well.
(He kicked me from 3m away. I tried to stop him.)
(He didn't think he was doing anything wrong when he kicked me.)
The person who saw this on the security camera...
thought this wasn't right. So, he posted it on the internet.
As soon as he posted it, this became controversial.
It ended up with the administrator being sentenced to prison at a Mexican prison.
All the criminals inside this prison...
wanted to kill this person.
They didn't end up sending this person to a Mexican prison.
He was sent back to Korea instead.
It would be terrifying to be hated by everyone in the country.
(He was repatriated to Korea and dealt with.)
Whistleblowers fear retribution. That is what they fear the most.
They should be protected by the law of the country, however...
there are cases when this does not happen.
Shall we hear about incidences when it ended badly for the whistleblower?
Back in 2014, at a hospital in Chiba Prefecture,
there was a case where 11 people had died in the last 7 years.
But four years before this case became public,
A nurse in the anesthesiology department chose to become a whistleblower.
But everyone in the hospital decided to ignore this.
They tried to hide this. And as revenge, she couldn't find work.
- They fired her. - She got fired.
So, she informed the government about this.
She had revealed what was going on to the government.
But in Japan, the law only protects laborers.
Since she had informed the government after she got fired,
- They were claiming she wasn't a laborer. - Yes. The government refused to help.
That's a useless law.
(I mustered up my courage and became a whistleblower.)
(But I feel like it ended up badly which makes me think there's no point doing it.)
In Mexico, we can use social media...
to inform the authorities about the crimes being committed by organized criminals.
One day,
someone found the corpse of a man and a woman...
hanging under the bridge.
We found out later,
that the two people who died were the managers of the social media page.
They were the managers of the site. There was a sign hanging on their bodies.
They had written on the sign,
"We're going to do the same thing to anyone who runs a similar page like these two."
"Be careful."
That sounds like a movie.
Yes, it did sound like a movie.
In Germany, we had a truck driver, whose name was Miroslaw Strecker.
He made public about the goods that his company was trying to sell.
He became a whistleblower and informed the public of how...
his company was trying to sell 11.5 tons of spoiled beef.
But he got fired for it.
The government...
did give him the golden award for moral courage...
but they didn't help him to find another job.
- Didn't they give him a reward. - This happened in Germany, too.
- We didn't reward whistleblowers in Germany. - Really?
Since there are no rewards for whistleblowers,
not a lot of people are tempted to inform the public about wrongdoings.
Some whistleblowers do inform the public because of their conscience.
But there has been trouble caused by those who do it for a reward.
I'd like to ask your thoughts about this.
Do you think that even though they became whistleblowers for the reward,
it is still a good action, or do you think it is bad?
Please raise your hand if you think it is a good action. In 3, 2 and 1.
Is it okay to do it for a reward?
- Mark raised his hand. - It's split.
The reason why I think this is a good thing is...
because whatever the reason,
if you look at the overall result, it led to a good result.
- We have to focus on the bad things that happened. - Right.
- I think it's not good to be critical because they wanted a reward. - We're not...
They were looking for a reward.
If we allow this, there is one problem that will happen.
- What? - There might be false accusations made for a reward.
If we allow this, more people might come forward with fake accusations.
We'll just punish the people who do that.
The reason why I think we need to have a reward system is...
If it is a whistleblower,
- they're taking a big risk by doing this. - They'll be punished.
Since there are so many negatives to whistling,
I believe the person needs to be rewarded for being a whistleblower.
The idea of a reward system is great.
But the intention is important.
The reason why I'm saying this is, it's fine to receive a reward for a good deed,
- but if the goal is the reward... - But...
People will just make accusations about all companies.
- All right... - But the overall result is the same.
Whether they are doing this for a reward,
- The result may be the same. - or if it was because of their conscience.
Society doesn't know the intentions of the whistleblower.
- Whether he did it for the reward or not, we won't know. - We won't know.
- We need to find out. - How will you do that?
- Why do we need to know? - We need to know his heart.
As I see it,
human are inherently selfish.
They...
- Why are you bring in human beings? - Why?
Human beings are inherently selfish.
Their situation is the most important thing.
It's not a bad thing.
Do you want to make a model society like that?
- No, that's not it. - Should people behave for their own personal greed?
(Calm down)
I actually agree with Nik.
He wasn't saying anything negative, he was saying something rational.
People are inherently selfish.
- Without a reward, no one will become a whistleblower. - That's true.
What Nik said was absolutely true.
They were doing this for a reward.
- Rewards are good. - Why does the truth change?
- They're doing it for money. - They have more to lose by doing this.
- Why? - They could lose so much.
- Are they just mercenaries? - Mark said it before,
they won't be able to find another job and they will most likely get fired.
But in our society,
there are righteous CEOs.
There are righteous CEOs who could protect the whistleblowers.
- Lucky is a business man, right? - Yes.
From a business man's perspective, could you tell us simply,
what is the most expensive thing in the world right now?
It's information.
You look at the price and negotiate, right?
I have expensive information. Why am I not allowed to sell it?
I should try to make money from the information.
While I'm doing that, I can fight social injustice.
Why am I not allowed to do that? Explain it to me simply.
I don't think it is a good idea to use monetary reward as an incentive...
to entice people to inform authorities about corruption.
If you were to reward them in other ways, I might agree.
I understand it in the case of organized crime.
But let's say, you're working at a company, and they're evading taxes.
They use Swiss banks as a haven to deposit 1 billion dollars yearly to avoid taxes.
- You could reward them with a percentage. - If you did that,
In Canada, a whistleblower will be rewarded with 5 million dollars.
In the US, when people hide their money in Swiss accounts,
- there are people who inform the authorities about tax dodgers. - Right.
In the US, if you inform the authorities of someone avoiding paying taxes,
- you can receive 30 percent of the amount. - Did you say 30 percent?
- That's amazing. - That's nice.
- He said nice. - It'd be really great if you could find someone doing that.
I've heard of someone who received 200 million dollars.
They can get that much?
- They'll probably receive retaliation that is worth 200 million dollars. - Right.
- They're will be retaliations. - Right.
But 30 percent is way too much.
- That's too much. - I agree.
- I agree. - Why do you think so, Guillaume?
In Canada, the reward is 5 to 10 percent of the amount.
And people still inform authorities at that percentage.
Don't you suddenly want to become a whistleblower?
- There would be more people. - But...
- That would be nice. - Monetary rewards are nice.
But you might have cases like this,
the company might be incredibly corrupt.
They might go in because the whistleblower was attracted to that.
And he might look for signs of indications, rather than working.
- No way. - That's a little extreme.
- "I'm going to join this company. It looks corrupt." - In Switzerland...
- Swiss... - If you entered a Swiss bank,
and you pray to find one corrupt account in the next 10 years.
People might do that. It really could happen.
There might be one employee like that.
In my opinion, rather than making a reward system,
I think we need a system where whistleblowers can go.
For example, in Switzerland, a lot of companies...
have a hotline to tell the company of corruption.
- They won't reveal your identity. - They won't reveal it.
- I think that's a good idea. - If a company has that,
it could show people that the company are serious about stopping corruption.
Since there is a hotline, employees will realize they can't do corrupt actions.
(It's a win-win system for everyone.)
According to one survey, all whistleblowers are in the same boat.
A lot of them said they would do the same thing, even if it means they suffer.
It'd be best if you could critique their companies without the fear of retribution.
I think the most important thing is to create a society...
where you can critique without fear.
- We'll find out what is important next week on What Is So Important? - Yes.
Let's introduce the Korean representative for today.
- I heard this from my friends who live in Jejudo. - Yes.
This person goes to the beach every morning and surfs.
That would make her a mermaid.
She made her debut 16 years ago, she's still mysterious, Actress Yoon Jin-seo.
Okay!
(The 139th Korean representative, Yoon Jin-seo)
- Hello. - Welcome.
(Wow!)
- Hello. - Did you hear the reactions when she walked in?
- Who said it? - Just because she's a mermaid.
- Shall we sit down? - Yes.
(Everyone sits down.)
- All right. - Could you please introduce yourself?
Hello. I'm the Actress Yoon Jin-seo.
- It nice to meet you. - It's nice to meet you.
(Welcome)
Does anyone know who she is?
- I know her. - I know who she is.
- Right. A lot of you like movies. - Yes, you all like movies.
- How do you know her? - She was on "Old Boy".
(She was a new actress who received a lot of love for her performance on "Oldboy".)
(She has been on drama and films from various genres.)
(Jin-seo is an actress who has left a strong impression.)
- Well, people have said that you're like a professional surfer. - Right.
I was in Mexico last month.
(Surprised)
- Mexico. - Where in Mexico did you go?
I was in Cabo San Lucas, Todos Santos and San Francisco.
- Where? - I was around the peninsula.
- We heard that you like traveling. - Yes.
Which countries have you been to?
- Take a look around. - Yes.
I've been to Japan, Mexico, China,
I transferred flights in Germany,
at Frankfurt Airport.
- You've been to Germany, then. - You've been there.
- She's been to Germany. - I've been to Switzerland.
I transferred flights at Vancouver International Airport in Canada.
- I've been to India, too. - Have you been to India?
- She's been to a lot of places. - I was there for two and a half months.
- Did you go alone? A backpacking? - Yes, alone.
- Wasn't it dangerous? - She was in India for two months.
It's not dangerous.
- Why... - The person from India is telling us it isn't dangerous.
(PR representative for Indian safety)
- Wasn't it dangerous? - I didn't go around at night.
- Well done. - It wasn't dangerous in the morning.
It's safe in the morning.
- You haven't been to Pakistan, right? - Yes, I haven't been to Pakistan.
It's dangerous.
(The neighbors are at it again.)
Why do you fight even though you sit next to each other?
I've been to North of France, to places like Deauville and Honfleur.
I've also been to Aix-en-Provence and Marseille.
I don't think he knows.
(Wincing)
I know the places, but I just haven't been there.
I've never been there.
- What about Italy? - I've been to Rome and Milan.
She's been to all your countries except Pakistan.
- Yes. - That is impressive.
She's a global representative.
Did you unravel the characteristics of men in each country as you went along?
Tell us.
In my opinion, French men,
when they're in their 20s tend to be more coy.
But French men who are in their mid 30s...
approach you without reservations.
They approach you more easily.
- You're right. - That's the feeling I got.
Do Italian men, whether they are in their 20s or not, approach you easily, too?
Yes.
The babies approach you as they make baby sounds.
- They approach after eating their meal. - We have Aurélien here.
Let's imagine that you are in a French bar,
Aurélien, how would you approach Jin-seo?
(How would a French man approach a woman?)
- She's all alone. - She speaks French, too.
- No, but right now... - Aurélien is getting ready.
Were you in a movie?
- Me? - Yes.
(Everyone turns on their spectator mode.)
If you haven't been in a movie,
I want to cast you for a role.
Really? Do you work in the film industry?
I was a director about 10 years ago?
(He makes up whatever he wants on the spot.)
He's just a typical con artist.
He made up whatever he wanted.
- That was... - He's a pro.
- Anyway, when you were twenty? - When I was twenty.
- When you were twenty? - It was a short film.
- Short... - A short film?
I made a short film for the international film festival.
- Can I see it? - You can see it...
You can see it, but it's not up on Youtube yet.
- That's unfortunate. - Would you like to see it at my house?
(Aurélien's version of "Netflix and chill".)
Look at Albert scoffing at him.
He's scoffing.
All right Albert. As the professional...
- Pretend you're single... - No, he was good.
- He was good. - You were okay.
As an Italian...
- I'm really curious about how an Italian would approach me. - They're intense.
In a Venetian cafe somewhere...
It looks like you're not from around here. I'm a regular at this cafe.
You have to try this drink here.
That was smooth.
You have to be natural, without lying.
Out of nowhere, he asked her if she was in a movie.
If she rejects him, he goes to another woman and...
"Were you in a movie? 10 years ago, I..."
"I made a short film 10 years ago."
If you were in this situation, would you pick the man who asked you about movies...
or would you pick the man who brought you a recommended drink.
Somehow, I'm more attracted a man who brings me something...
- It's no pressure. - Yes. And his lie was so obvious that...
You should have just bought her something.
Aurélien, you should change your method.
That was funny. All right.
Let's start our 139th Non Summit Meeting.
This is Jin-seo's topic of discussion.
I believe love is something that's made with someone else.
That's why I believe there are many types of love.
So this is my topic of discussion.
I believe platonic love is possible.
Am I abnormal?
I'm sure someone feels a lot further away from her now.
(Flinch)
When she says that, it means Aurélien's out.
After inviting her over your house...
What were you going to do?
- I'm sure they could have just watched a movie. - That's true.
I think we should decide what platonic love is.
Excluding the physical aspect,
- it's a mental love, right? - Yes.
I heard you indirectly experienced it through one of your movies?
- Platonic love... - Yes.
We couldn't even touch hands.
In that movie, I was a married woman.
But one day, I met a man in a cafe somewhere.
Eventually, it turns into love but there's nothing physical going on.
Let's start off with a vote. Platonic love between couples is possible.
- We'll see how scary these people can be. - Yes.
- You have to be honest. - Yes.
- Be honest. - Don't try to save face.
Can a couple have a non-sexual...
platonic love? Agree of Disagree?
If you agree, press the button. In 1, 2, 3.
(Agree 5, Disagree 7)
- All right. - I think it's impossible.
- Because... - Mexico is so passionate.
Because Mexico's concept of love is different from Korea's.
If you say platonic love, we think of it...
- as having zero potential. - I agree.
We tend to think of that person as a celebrity or a foreigner.
That's what we think of it.
- Someone out of your reach? - Yes, someone out of your reach.
Mexicans really like physical intimacy.
We express our love physically.
Physical intimacy isn't a bad thing.
It's an important aspect of love.
It's definitely a way to express our love.
Especially if you're a couple, it's impossible to exclude the physical aspect.
Because I experienced long distance relationship...
- You have no choice when you're in a long distance relationship. - Yes.
That's why you're forced to abstain from physical intimacy. But love goes on.
I did long distance too.
When I did long distance,
as time went on, we were trying harder to maintain our relationship.
I realized how important it was to have physical intimacy as well.
I think just looking at someone...
counts as physical intimacy.
- Just looking at them? - I see.
- I can see that. - I agree.
Although we got farther away in distance,
I felt that our mental intimacy was closer than ever.
But you end up looking forward to the day you meet her, don't you?
- When you meet her... - That's true.
You wait desperately...
(You reserve your stamina for that day.)
You look forward to being physical with her someday, don't you?
You look forward to it.
Japan did a research on platonic love.
About 40% of woman said they wanted platonic love.
And because there's a lot of herbivore men in Japan,
they tend to match their pace to the women's pace.
According to that research, 25 percent...
of men said they can do it if their partner wanted platonic love.
But Oogi, if there really is a platonic love,
how is that different from a very deep friendship between man and woman?
How?
I agree with what he said.
If you really love someone, you want to be close to them.
But in platonic love,
you're not close, even if you are.
There's always a barrier.
That's why, to know each other more and better,
I believe having physical intimacy is necessary.
I think it's possible, because dating and marriage...
is all about trying to find your comrade in arm.
You're trying to find someone who'll always stick up for you.
Rather than satisfying your physical urges,
I think it's important for you to feel that you need that other person.
But there aren't any animals that can love without sexual relations.
That's the law of nature.
There has to be both mental and physical aspects...
But, isn't that why human are different from animals?
- It's... - It's because we're human that it's possible.
Guillaume, is there any other animal who can made the KTX?
- But... - There aren't any animals who can make that.
- The French said it was possible. - Yes.
He believes it's possible.
I have a question. While you're going out,
there's no sexual relationships. Is that possible?
It's not very fun, but it's possible.
- It's possible. - Fun?
That's only done for fun?
But a French politician had this to say about this topic.
The best time of love is when one goes up the stairs.
Right before you enter your house.
Something like right before you enter your house.
I think platonic love is very normal.
Actually, in Pakistan,
it's impossible for you to have a physical relationship.
- What? - He's right.
- Before your marriage, you're not allowed to be physical. - He's right.
It's not easy to do that. So most love in Pakistan is platonic love.
But does it stay platonic after marriage?
No, after marriage, you...
What kind of...
No.
- That's right. You have to do it. - He was so...
"What kind of marriage is that? No!"
- Yes. - He was like that.
- You have to touch her. - That's why personally,
when I was in high school, I went out six years with this girl.
I held her hand only a few times.
- A few times? - I really loved her.
That's why everyone is Pakistan can do platonic love.
- But you held her hand. - You held her hand?
- He said he held her hand a few times. - In six years, I held her hands twice...
Is that considered a lot?
He's asking why you held her hand when it was platonic love.
I'm sure there's a limit to cultural and religious aspects...
- But you went out with that girl. - Yes.
And while going out with her, you loved her as a woman, right?
Because in America,
- platonic means just friend. Even the definition... - I know.
"We're platonic."
As soon as you start seeing her as a woman,
you passed the platonic line.
It changed into romantic love.
In France, we just call it platonic love.
- In France, as long as it's not physical, that's called platonic love? - Yes.
But that's not platonic love.
Platonic love is when you don't even want it.
But isn't platonic love for people who don't feel sexual urges?
- In Italy, - No urges?
we think of it as a philosophical concept.
It's seeing the other person as someone beyond human.
You love them so much but don't have any sexual urges for them.
- Even in Japan, there's this term called "platonic affairs". - Platonic affairs?
It's more than friends but not at the level of affairs...
But, those people...
only enjoy the excitement of their heart beating.
I think the term is too simplified.
Besides "love" and "friendship",
there's no other words to describe that relationship.
Let's say it's 60 percent love...
and 40 percent friendship, minus the physical intimacy.
There's no term to describe that.
That's why it's hard to say it...
- but I think that's why platonic love is possible. - I see.
Let's start the main debate about whether platonic love is possible.
(Main debate)
I'm sure we'll be talking about various types of love today.
Let's talk about platonic love.
I'm sure there are famous platonic couples.
There's an Italian writer named Dante Alighieri.
Dante wrote a new masterpiece called "Vita Nuova".
The whole book was about a woman named Beatrice.
That was the most famous case of platonic love.
When Dante was nine years old, he got a glimpse of Beatrice.
But he fell in love.
He saw her again when she was 19 years old,
but she was already married to another man.
He only saw her three times his whole life,
but he continued to love her...
and managed to write a up a new genre because of her.
In Italian, it's called "Dolce Stil Novo".
It's where you look at a woman as if she was an angel,
beyond human...
- Beatrice was his first... - He really loved her.
Although Audrey Hepburn isn't Swiss...
(Laughing)
She live in Switzerland for 30 years before she passed away.
We can talk about residents too.
Although she wasn't a citizen...
The designer of that luxury brand, Hubert de Givenchy,
and Audrey Hepburn were famous for their platonic love.
He made a lot of clothes for Audrey Hepburn in her movies.
They were very close for a long time.
Before Audrey Hepburn died, Givenchy went to Switzerland.
Hepburn gifted Givenchy a blue jacket.
She told him to wear it whenever he was sad.
So he wore that jacket when he went back to France.
- I see. - The relationship they had wasn't physical.
("My biggest blessing in life was Audrey Hepburn." - Hubert de Givenchy)
In America, Leonardo Di Caprio and Kate Winslet were the main characters of Titanic.
Did those two date each other?
They just became close after shooting Titanic.
They both say their love is platonic love.
Although Kate Winslet married another man, she always wears her wedding ring...
with the ring that Leonardo Di Caprio gave her as a present.
In fact, during her wedding...
When the bride enters,
she usually walks in with her father normally.
But she walked in with Leonardo Di Caprio.
She did?
- Even if he was her best friend, - They must be really close.
isn't that considered cheating?
- But about that... - Because they're friends...
I think they love each other as friends.
Isn't that friendship? Is that really love?
It's love between friends.
- Isn't that friendship? - It's more stronger than just friendship.
Stronger than friendship?
I'm sure.
Do all the other countries not have a term for this too?
Besides love and friendship...
- There's no word like that in English, is there? - We have friendship and love.
I guess the word that goes between those two would be "best friend"?
- Best friend? - Best friend?
He's just my best friend.
- That's that meaning. - That's so...
You're right. When you say "She's my best friend",
people tend to think of it as being platonic.
- Because they're best friends, they head lock each other and... - Yes.
But, now that I think about it, there's one more.
I think "soul mate" is similar.
- Because... - That's...
That's right, there was soul mate.
Normally, soul mate is used for...
someone when she or he is more than just friends.
- Soul mate? - Soul mate.
Mexico has one too.
- We have three levels. - Three levels?
We have "Me gustas", "Te quiero", and "Te amo".
"Me gustas" means you likes someone, that you have affection for them.
"Te quiero" is in the middle.
You don't love her but you don't just like her either.
- There's a term for that? - There is.
Can you say it one more time?
- Te quiero. - But "Te quiero" means that too.
- It means "I want you." - Yes.
- I want you? - Yes, it has that meaning.
- I like you, I want you, I love you. - It's stronger.
Then, there's "Te amo". It means I completely love you.
When you hear "Te quiero", do you feel good or bad?
- You feel good. - Good?
But when you were expecting a "Te amo", they say "Te quiero"...
It means you have to try harder?
Te quiero?
Not "Te amo" but "Te quiero?
Were you speaking Korean?
- Only that much? - Te quiero?
Only Te quiero?
Saying "Te amo" can be a lot of pressure.
That's why they use "Te quiero" first.
If they accept your "Te quiero", it's easily to say "Te amo" later on.
There are many types of love.
And because of that, there are many different researches about love.
I'm sure each country has their own unique researches.
In Japan, a research was done by Tohoku University.
They used fruit flies...
that weren't copulating.
They fed those fruit flies something that could produce serotonin,
by injecting amino acid into their food.
When they did that, they started to copulate.
- Wow. - Wow.
They concluded there was a link between serotonin and platonic love.
- They think platonic love is due to lack of serotonin? - Yes.
I see.
There was a research done in America...
about how when you fall in love, your brain...
shows signs of mental and chemical changes.
It only take 0.2 seconds for that to happen.
The change takes place very fast.
So the phrase, "love at first sight"...
- can be proven chemically. - It's less than a second?
It takes less than a second.
Then, instead of getting to know her for two months, go for that 0.2 second.
I still haven't found someone like that...
But if you do find someone, try it out.
A research team in a Swiss spice company...
asked people to make a sexy pose.
Most people would put up their hands like this and make a sexy pose.
Alex, try to do it better.
(Sexy)
- Sexy. - Like this?
No, no.
- Don't grab your neck. - You look like that lizard.
The study concluded people struck that pose...
to spread their pheromone made from their armpits.
- By instinct? - Yes.
When they ask you to model a sexy pose, what do you do?
- Me? - Yes.
When they ask you to strike a sexy pose...
(Embarrassed)
Not the armpits...
In a university in Pakistan,
they concluded love in Pakistan can be separated into three phases.
The first phase is when you fall in love.
It's same like everywhere else.
The second phase is when you hide your feelings.
The hiding phase happens...
because there's a lot of opposition from the families and society.
That's why they hide their love and secretly go out with each other.
And when they overcome that phase, they move on to the third phase.
And that's the phase where you marry each other.
You decide whether to marry this person or marry the person your family chose.
- It's just Pakistan's culture to do that, right? - Yes.
Although the wordings are different, I think the research done in Pakistan...
is understandable as a woman.
Women first fall in love.
After that, they hide their feelings.
They try to decide if this person is really the one.
It's a time where they reflect on their feelings.
I think everyone has that kind of time too.
Because we think expressing our feelings directly is important,
we go on top of the roof with our loved ones...
and use pigeons...
We write down our feelings for each other and fly them through pigeons.
- That's why... - Do they really go like you see in those comic books?
Zahid is 100 percent correct.
- Really? - Yes. I agree with him.
We both have postal pigeons.
We attach letters to the leg of a pigeon and...
- Is that true? - That's so cool.
How can a pigeon go directly to the address?
- They go. - They do.
They used carrier pigeons a lot during World War 1. They didn't radios back then.
So they sent message that way.
I think there's some meaning behind sending pigeons. There was this incident...
when they sent a pigeon, but it was considered to be a spy.
- That was Pakistan's. - Yes, they investigated the pigeon.
India caught a lot of pigeons from Pakistan, saying they were spies.
They caught your pigeons?
They investigated pigeons?
Did they have a hearing for the pigeons?
- That's... - They thought they were spies?
While some love stories had happy endings,
there were also some of star crossed lovers as well.
The most famous case of star crossed lovers in Italy...
is falling in love with the priest.
Because we're Catholic, priests can't marry anyone.
But there are a few priests...
who secretly date someone.
That's why they have a website for people who...
went out with priest and for people who still are dating one.
It's a community website. Although there are cases where some give up priesthood...
and marry their lovers,
life becomes really hard for them.
They get a lot of bad looks. It's a big problem.
That's why that community requested that priests...
should be allowed to marry too,
by sending a letter to the Pope.
But the Pope said no?
It's still very...
Brittany Spears...
Ten years ago, she felt in love with a Pakistan man named Adnan Ghalib.
Brittany Spears really loved him.
She was going to change her religion and become Muslim for him.
But eventually, they didn't marry each other.
They broke up because that man...
was just a paparazzi after Brittany Spears.
He was using her pictures for business purposes.
That's horrible.
There are bad people in Pakistan too.
Although he was Pakistan,
he was living in America. That's why he became bad.
(What did you say?)
He politely says everything he wants to.
In America, in Hollywood, Demi Moore is known as a cougar.
- She's known for liking younger men. - That's right.
But, love was doomed to fail...
when she went out with her daughter's ex-boyfriend.
She started to live together with him...
and was about to marry him, when people found out and it became a big issue.
Eventually, they broke up.
If they married, the daughter had to call her ex-boyfriend "Stepdad".
I'm sure it would have been awkward between mother and daughter.
In England, a couple fell in love with each other.
They would also say they were so compatible with each other, like electricity.
After they married, they went to meet each other's parents.
But through their families, they found out they were adopted twins.
- What? - They didn't know they were adopted.
They were twin brother and sister?
They were brother and sister and were adopted by different families.
They met coincidentally and married each other, only to find out they were related.
- What a twist of fate... - Eventually, they canceled their marriage.
Because they were related.
- That's so sad. - That is.
In China, there is a wedding for spirits.
They believe a person who died young, without marrying anyone,
would come back to harass the living.
So they do this wedding to appease the spirits.
They take out the woman and man from their graves...
and bury them together in one grave.
There's something similar in France too.
We have a posthumous marriage.
Let's say there were two people who were about to get married.
But when one person dies, the other can ask the president...
if they can marry their deceased lover.
In 2012, there were people who died in the Montauban shooting.
But there was this case where one of their girlfriend was pregnant.
That's why she went to ask the president if she could marry him.
- That's how she got permission. - She was allowed to marry her dead boyfriend.
- Everyone must have been crying. - Yes.
There are some cases where love can't happen but they forced their way...
and made it happen.
In Germany, there was a Swedish woman.
She came to Germany...
because she fell in love with the Berlin Wall.
She fell in love with a wall?
She even married the Berlin Wall.
- What? - With the wall?
- Marry? - Is that even possible?
But when they tore down the wall,
- she was very hurt. - I'm sure. It was her "husband".
- Even now, she thinks of it as separation by death. - She does?
- She was against the unification. - Yes, she was.
Although the Great Wall of China has a bigger appeal...
It was too big to be her husband.
It's too old to be her husband.
- That woman... - When Trump builds his wall,
- Yes. - you should introduce her to her new boyfriend.
Anyway, there are a lot of people like her...
- who fall in love with objects and buildings... - I'm sure.
- Even in America... - In America, there was a woman named Erika from San Francisco.
That woman also had objectum sexuality.
That woman fell in love with the Eiffel Tower.
She really called all her friends,
went up to the Eiffel Tower, and married it.
In fact, she even changed her last name.
She changed her name to Erika Tour Eiffel.
She changed her name to "Erika Eiffel Tower".
That Swedish woman did the same thing.
Can that woman go to Japan and have an affair?
- With Tokyo Tower? - Yes.
Although Tokyo Tower is attractive, it's too small to be her husband.
(Before marrying the Eiffel Tower, she married the Golden Gate Bridge.)
(She's a woman with a past.)
In Japan, there are people who love two dimensional...
- things. It's well known. - Yes.
But it became an issue when...
a dating game called "Love Plus" came out.
There's a character called Anegasaki Nene.
He really liked her.
That's why he held the game and went to Guam for their honeymoon.
They swore their love to each other there on their honeymoon.
- He has to be careful his game device doesn't run out of battery. - Yes.
And after his trip, for his wedding, he went live...
on the internet website with over 2,000 viewers.
He kissed his gaming device.
There's a lot of people like that.
In France last year, some woman...
said she fell in love with a robot.
- There. - She has objectum sexuality.
Don't you think the robot looks upset?
It's the first time I've seen a robot with that kind of expression.
But that woman originally...
didn't like being physical with another human being.
That's why she says she fell for a robot.
In 2006, in India, a woman went to a hill nearby her house,
met a cobra, and fell in love with that cobra.
- But that woman... - Really?
went to give it milk, that cobra would come to drink the milk.
And because it wouldn't bite her,
she claimed it was how it expressed it love for her.
But what was more strange was that she had a wedding with the snake.
Literally 2,000 people came to see her wedding.
- To see the wedding? - That's a lot.
They came to see the snake.
So on the snake's side, there were...
Were there a lot of guests on the snake side?
Anyway, there were 2,000 people...
but the snake groom didn't appear.
Instead, they put a statue of a snake and went on with the wedding but...
They couldn't go on their honeymoon.
The bride must have cried a river because it was gone.
Is there anyone who might marry the human fox?
There might be. There might be...
- Just when we're about to forget... - The human fox and wolf man...
He'll just move the body...
Although we wish for happy endings, not everything ends that way.
Shall we hear about accidents that happened because of love?
There's a popular video in Mexico.
A husband was messaging a woman who wasn't his wife...
when the wife caught him.
She caught him so from the start of the video, the husband was on his knees.
He was being scolded.
In that video, you can see the wife going all out to yell at him.
She goes...
(Take off your hood! Take it off!)
(Okay. What do you want me to say?)
"Say it! You know what to say!"
"I'm a married man. I shouldn't give my number to other women." "Again!"
- "I'm a married man..." That's what he kept saying. - She made him promise?
- She made him promise on video. - His wife sent that video directly to that woman.
She sent it to her immediately and uploaded it on the internet and it blew up.
It's so funny how in the end she beat him with a stick.
That's cute.
France has Pont des Arts.
In France, couples gather on Pont des Arts...
- Wow. - Wow.
It's like Seoul Tower.
Yes. It's over Seine River.
They put on the lock and throw away the keys.
But in 2015, because the locks were too heavy,
- the handrail fell over. - The handrail?
That's why they got rid of the whole thing.
They got rid of it.
It was a symbol of their love but...
It's very metaphorical.
- It'll eventually break. - Yes.
In India, on Valentine's Day,
there was a terrorist attack on couples.
From an extremist's point of view, Valentine's Day...
is considered to be a weird Western culture.
And all these couples come to meet each other at the park on Valentine's Day.
About 29 men gathered together...
and threw tomatoes at the couples.
(He throws the tomato.)
(A nightmare for the couples)
(An expression of hate that is still currently an issue today.)
In Pakistan, during the last two Valentine's Day,
promotional events were prohibited.
But there's a lot of unfortunate events that happened because of love.
It has a culture where the family chooses who you're marry.
So somewhere in Punjab,
a 17 year-old girl fell in love with a 31 year-old man.
But both families were against it.
So they were about to run away together...
when the girl's family called them, saying they'll let them marry.
When they got there, they were both killed.
- The family? - Yes. But what's more horrible is how the girl's family...
called all the children together and said,
"If you go against us, this will happen to you too."
They threatened them.
If you run away, you'll become like them too?
- Yes. That's why this was very shocking. - Were they arrested?
Yes. They were arrested.
Did anything happen in our country because of love?
I want to think of something good but we have a lot of revenge stories lately.
Yes, there has been a lot of that.
- Revenge. - Yes. I'm not sure if it's just us...
but when the girl broke up with him, he wait for her in front of her house...
and stabbed her with a knife.
After breaking up, a lot of people use photos...
to take revenge on their ex...
It's a big problem.
When you weigh the options...
for a realistic love, it's called pragmatic love.
An example of this is how two families arrange a marriage for their children.
Are there any people famous of arranged marriages?
In America, there's John F. Kennedy and Jacqueline O. Kennedy.
You can say they had an arranged marriage.
Because when they had their wedding,
Kennedy was 35 years old and campaigning for presidency.
When you're campaigning,
being a married man makes you a prime candidate for president.
Having the image of a perfect family...
There are many stories that he married to make a good image on the public.
That's why later, when they found a private letter written by Jacqueline O. Kennedy,
she wrote that to her friend.
She wrote that she loved him...
but wrote that he might have married her for political reasons.
That's what was written in those letters.
In Japan, instead of you,
your parents go to meeting...
to look for your marriage partner.
- The parents meet? - Yes, the parents meet.
If your child is younger than 50 and single...
Parents who fulfill those conditions bring profile of their children..
and resume and meet each other.
After the parents meet and talk it out,
they go to tell their children to meet.
- They're only looking at each other's conditions. - Yes.
This got a lot of popularity that...
for ten years, almost 23,000 people participated in this event.
And out of those many, 800 actually got their children married this way.
Having 800 out of 23,000 people marry is...
Because Japan doesn't have a blind date culture, it's hard.
- They don't have blind dates? - No, we don't.
Because if you introduce someone, it puts a lot of pressure on you.
If I introduced someone to someone else,
but they broke apart, I feel guilty and responsible.
Just like Japan, we have a park for that.
Just like them, our mothers go to that park and share their children's profiles.
They share that, saying their daughters are busy working.
And words started to spread and that park became known for that.
Look at that.
It looks like a resume.
- Yes. - It shows the year they were born and so on.
The parents go around holding something like that?
Yes. They carry it around. "Oh, you have a lot of sons."
- They... - But you shouldn't trust mothers to be honest about their children.
(He's right.)
- He's right. - He's so right.
- You're absolutely right. - Yes.
But this was pretty effective. They even set up a marriage company there.
But has this been a recent thing or has it existed for a long time?
This started in 2005 for us.
We started this much earlier. Was it 2008?
The culture of families meeting first happened since a long time ago in Pakistan.
Families would meet families to marry off their children.
The culture's really different.
Isn't it normal for people to do that? Even in India, families meet first.
For us, it's very unusual for people to marry for love.
You can see a lot of ads for that in an Indian newspaper.
It lists their names, skin color, and everything.
There's a matrimony section...
Is it that hard for people to meet when there are so many people there?
- That's... - That's just our culture.
People don't just go up and talk to girls in a bar. It's not in their culture.
Yes. That's unheard of.
- That would be really bad. - I see.
Do you like going out on blind dates?
I believe people should marry for love.
But you can fall in love in a blind date too.
You're right. But aren't we talking about something else where parents...
What if your parents suggest you try meeting this person?
That's fine. But if my parents and his parents already set up our marriage...
- I would hate that. - It's already decided.
It'll make me feel uncomfortable.
Besides arranged marriages,
there are also people who marry for profit known as the "show window" couple.
In China, if the government wants to...
take back the land that belongs to us...
It differs by regions but...
they pay for it based on the number of people living there.
So when the government post up a notice...
saying that they're buying back the land,
people tend to get married before they come to check the number of people.
That way, they can get a lot of money for the land.
Do they divorce after splitting the money?
It differs case by case. There was a research...
that concluded that people who married like that weren't happy.
We have a lot of seniors living by themselves in Italy.
They all have a housekeeper.
People who help them.
Most of them are women who came from Eastern Europe.
There is a huge age gap between the seniors and the housekeepers.
Even then, because they live together, some really do fall in love with each other.
- They get attached. - Yes, and they marry after that.
But there has been a lot of women who married them for their money.
- They were after their money? - Yes. There were a lot of incidents.
After marrying an 80 year-old man,
her whole family came to live off of him.
Her whole family would use and live off that old man's money.
Some people, after they marry them,
say they should visit their homeland...
and run away with their money.
- There's been a lot of that. - That's scamming the elders.
Yes, they're scamming the elders.
My mother's side of the family...
married to get the benefits.
- Your mother's side of the family? - Yes.
About 200 years ago,
some people from the Netherlands came to our region.
Those people from Netherlands were people who made alcohol.
They didn't have any sons. Just daughters.
That's why my ancestors married that merchant's daughter...
and inherited the alcohol business.
To do that, they even changed their religion.
Now, we're talking about our ancestors too?
Just wanted to know...
Originally, we were Protestants, but we turned Catholic.
So basically, if that didn't happen, you wouldn't have been born,
- right? - He's right.
Thank you, my ancestors.
In America, there are serial brides.
For people who want to become a US resident,
it's easier to become one if you marry an American citizen.
The person probably thought she could make a business out of that...
and married this person and that person, while taking their money.
Basically, that person was married to eight different people at the same time.
- Eight people at the same time. - At the same time?
Don't you get caught for that?
Yes, you do. But she was able to keep doing it for 10 years without getting caught.
She kept getting a new husband.
She was called the serial bride. But even if you want to become a US resident,
they normally do a lot of checking.
You have to show them pictures of you going out.
You have to prove you're not marrying just for immigration purposes.
In Pakistan, a couple did something very outrageous.
They wanted to marry and live in Europe so...
they contacted a couple in Czechoslovakia...
and paid them 5,000 euros to do a cross wedding.
- Cross wedding? - The Pakistani man...
married the Czechoslovakian woman...
and the Czechoslovakian man married the Pakistani woman.
When they got their citizenship, they would divorce...
and live together again.
- They must have become great friends. - I guess...
(After two years of hard work, the Pakistani couple separated.)
There are close to 1,000 scam marriages happening in Canada every year.
That's why when you don't have a baby after your marriage,
you need to live two years together until you get a citizenship...
and can enter the country.
A lot of people want to come live in Switzerland.
That's why there's a lot of people who want to marry someone Swiss.
So when they suspect their marriage is a scam,
the police are allowed to go to their home and interview them.
They're allowed to check if they're really lovers.
But, that would feel really unpleasant.
The things they're interviewed about are all private subjects.
- Yes. - But it only happens when it's suspicious.
It's very rare for this to happen.
In Mexico, to get an American visa,
there's a lot of fake marriages.
- To get an American visa? - Yes.
For Mexicans, you have to be married for six months...
for you to be eligible for a green card.
So there's a lot of tests.
For example, they even check your garbage.
They check to see if the trash matches...
- with what a real couple would use. - Oh?
To see if it's normal...
Yes. They check for that. They're very thorough.
There are various types of love. The sacrificial love is called agape love.
Not for my sake but for my lover's sake...
Has there been any incidents where people sacrificed for their love?
You all know who Mother Theresa is, right?
Mother Theresa was originally from Yugoslavia. She wasn't Indian.
She came to India when she was 11.
She didn't wear the clothes for a nun...
but wore a white Indian garb called sari...
and helped a lot of poor people living in Calcutta.
Not only in India, but in Africa and so on...
She helped a lot of people everywhere.
She lived, sacrificing everything in her life.
She received the Nobel Prize and received the Best Citizen Award in India too.
I recently saw a documentary...
that stated she wasn't as great as we thought she was.
It's probably a difference of opinions.
I recently saw a documentary...
that stated she wasn't as great as we thought she was.
It's probably a difference of opinions.
There has been a study in Canada...
There has been a lot of studies in England too.
She stated that the poor were the Christ's Passion.
She said they should suffer like Christ.
And there were countless...
other issues as well.
I'm sure researchers have their individual reasons for researching these things...
but I went to Calcutta when I was little too.
- And I've met Mother Theresa before. - You did?
When I went to where she worked,
she was bathing the crippled patients...
and doing so many things for everyone.
No matter how many studies there are about that,
from what I've seen, I think she was a great woman.
It wasn't widely known in Japan but in Japan,
there were people nicknamed the Fukushima 50...
who were very famous for their work.
Basically, after the earthquake in Fukushima,
they were the ones who stayed behind in the nuclear reactor...
when everyone left.
There were originally 800 of them.
But when the nuclear reactor caught on fire, 750 of them ran away.
But the 50 of them remained...
and tried to put out the fire.
Even though the radiation level was really high, they would continue to put it out.
Those people are the real heroes.
Because without them,
a lot more of us could have gotten hurt.
But because of those people, we were...
still able to be fine.
It's interesting how stories like these...
- are always found on foreign documentaries... - Yes.
or foreign TV programs...
rather than Japanese TV.
You're right. These kind of stories don't come out in Japan.
In 2014, in Pakistan,
there as a high school student who saved a lot of students.
There was a 15 year-old boy named Aitzaz Hasan.
One day, a terrorist came to his school,
wearing a suicide bomb vest.
He grabbed that person and fought with him...
to prevent him from getting to the classrooms and it exploded outside.
There were close to 2,000 students inside the school.
He's the hero that saved over 2,000 mothers from crying that day.
That's why he received a lot of respect.
Last year in France, there was a terrorist attack in Nice.
To prevent the terrorist from driving the truck,
he chased after the truck on a small motorcycle.
And that terrorist...
would try to shoot at him, but luckily he missed.
Anyway, because of him, the police were...
able to stop the terrorists.
And that person didn't come out to tell him he was the one who did it.
He was caught on the security camera.
- A true hero. - He was surprised when they found him.
(He didn't reveal his heroic actions.)
This isn't about a person...
but a story about a heroic animal.
Not that long ago in Baltimore,
there was a family with a six month-old baby.
There was a fire on the second floor. Their dog covered the baby with his own body.
When the people found them later,
they were able to save the baby but the dog was dead.
The dog died, covering and protecting the baby with its own body.
- We have a story like that too. Osu's Dog. - Yes, it's very similar.
- Do you know Osu's Dog? - You should tell them the story.
- What is that? - A very old story.
Very old.
The owner drank alcohol...
and fell asleep near a river.
A fire broke out and the fire was about to reach the owner.
But the dog soaked himself in the water...
and kept trying to put out the fire.
When the owner awoke from his slumber, the dog was dead.
They even have a statue for him.
(In memory of that sacrifice, the statue was erected.)
You surprised me because it was so old.
It was from the Goryeo Dynasty.
That was so long ago.
I haven't heard it since I was in junior high school.
For the 139th Non Summit Meeting, Yoon Jin-seo's issue was...
"I Believe Platonic Love is Possible. Am I Abnormal?"
And we discuss various things about that topic.
We talked about mental love, physical love, sacrificial love,
realistic love, and obsessive love.
Although there's so many types of love,
the best type of love is when you and I are in love. Don't you think so?
It's really embarrassing to hear that.
What are you talking about?
What kind of conclusion is that?
I'm being controlled by someone in the back.
- I'm being controlled by someone in the back. - By the writers?
Can we hear your thoughts about today's show?
It was really fun.
- I want to come here every week to talk. - You do?
You should become a regular.
I think there's a spot opening up in Pakistan.
You can become Pakistani.
Anyway, it was really fun.
That's good to hear.
We hope your movies are a success.
- Thank you for today. - Thank you.
(Thank you for joining us today.)
Let us adjourn our Non Summit Meeting.
- Until the day we all become normal. - I like this song.
Would I be able to meet someone I have a connection with?
I don't know if this song is the right song for that.
It's pretty good.
(Getting into the mood)
Rookie Rookie
My super rookie rookie
You rookie rookie
You're lucky lucky lucky
Meeting adjourned.
(Meeting adjourned.)
(Big issues were raised in the 2017 Academy Awards.)
(Should the winners be allowed to make political statements or shouldn't they?)
(They should refrain from saying things that doesn't fit the event.)
(Rather than a boring statement, it should be fun.)
(If a celebrity makes a statement, it has a bigger influence.)
(Is that a method used by winners to gain popularity?)
(Freedom of speech vs Unnecessary Statements)
(The 140th Korean representative, Hwang Gyo-ik)
(So many complaints about Korean food culture.)
(I was surprised by the toilet paper.)
(Pineapple pizza...)
(should be illegal.)
(Food will taste better if Koreans go cook in Italy.)
(The taste columnist makes piercing statements.)
(I'm uncomfortable with forced globalization of Korean food.)
(It's preventing the natural process of globalization.)
(If you try to adjust the food to the taste of that country,)
(it becomes that country's food.)
(They add a little sauce...)
(and call it French food.)
(The famous restaurants of each country is revealed.)
(The chef is Swiss.)
(It's...)
(Acknowledged)
(I met my wife there.)
(Monday night, when love and food becomes tasty)
(Non Summit Meeting, every Monday at 10:50pm)
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